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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:40:00 -
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Dark Pangolin wrote:FW either currently has or has produced the best 10-50 man gang FCs and pilots. With very few exceptions I have never encountered anything in 0.0 or anywhere else that could go toe to toe with a fleet of FW vets. All we do is fight. All the time. ALL the time. FW is a meat grinder on am epic scale. Fighting over and over and over breeds the kinds of guys that win or quit. At it's best FW is a group of hard core impressive individual pilots and corps, at worst it's care bears in space. I would put a 20 man FW fleet of vets vs any random 40 man fleet. I have. And with very few exceptions I have not been disappointed.
My hat goes off to a few select low sec pie corps who consistently deliver impressive results and fight outnumbered (though not outgunned)
WTF you are talking about? |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 11:06:00 -
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FW is dead.
All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month
then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
top alliance 1Goonswarm Federation5415 , so they kill more than all militias together.
top corporation 1Blue Republic3067, kills more than 2 militias together.
and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9CONCORD1425, kills more than one average militia.
Fw is dead. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:19:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:FW is dead. All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20top alliance 1Goonswarm Federation5415 , so they kill more than all militias together. top corporation 1Blue Republic3067, kills more than 2 militias together. and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9CONCORD1425, kills more than one average militia. Fw is dead. The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.
Those kills that are not counted on militia stats has nothing to do with FW, you can kill those without being in FW.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:07:00 -
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Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Hmm because it's totally reasonable to compare a massive organisation of 1000's to the 100's in fw... *sigh* FW isn't dead, it's just quieter than null and high, as you should expect from anything based in low sec. And does it really suprise you that with people from all sorts of eve corps and alliances ganking that concord would be so highly ranked? Oh yeah FW is dead, bought to you by the daily mail and fox news
Massive organisation ? goonswarm federation has 6095 members, all militias have together total 22831 members.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:14:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Zeerover wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:FW is dead. All militias have done together only 1343 kill in a week, if month has 4 weeks it makes 5372 kills in month and average is 1343 / militia / month then if we look at evekill stats from last month http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20top alliance 1Goonswarm Federation5415 , so they kill more than all militias together. top corporation 1Blue Republic3067, kills more than 2 militias together. and funny fact is that corporation ranked 9CONCORD1425, kills more than one average militia. Fw is dead. The militia stats don't include all the kills vs pirates and other low-sec dwellers. I'll admit that it's not as active as it used to be, but to call the Amarr/Minmatar zone dead is either misinformed or deliberately obtuse. Those kills that are not counted on militia stats has nothing to do with FW, you can kill those without being in FW. Still hanging on to the misinformed or deliberately obtuse I see... Those targets come to said systems because the militias live there, thus without FW those kills would not be there and hence those kills have everything to do with FW. How was Arzad before FW? Or Kamela, Kourmonen, Huola, Dal, Ardar and Eszur? This point can even be taken to the Cal/Gal zone, without the FW targets few pirates would want to be in low-sec. Apart from pipe systems and chokehold exits the FW zones are the only place with any activity in low-sec - and that's because the FW corps are there.
On Gallente/Caldari area Old Man Star and Tama were well known pirate systems before militia, Blackrise has no history before FW because that region was made for FW.
Many pirates did not like FW at start because it was ruining their pirating possibilities and they moved away from fw area. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:32:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Stats for October: Name# MembersTotal KillsKills/Member Comments Blue Rep64930674.7 <---- (#1 in kills for month) Lives in high sec BOAE INC11010899.9 <---- (#20 in kills for month) Great Kill/Member ratio for decent sized corp. draketrain903664.1 <---- Former FW Corp. Have lost many members since leaving FW QCATS1225704.7 <----- FW corp. Have continued to grow slowly over time.
(This is a slow month for QCATS, we usually have 70 more kills at this time)
If FW is dead, draketrain is dead. +1 to BOAE, Awesome Kill/member ratio.
QCATS is averaging 30-50% more FW kills this month than it ever has (90-110 (final blows and not just in on kms) on FW WTs per week). FW is dead.
Edit: What we're going to hear next is that the overall numbers of FW corps is nothing compared to the largest alliance in the game and this is definitely true. The reason you as an individual should get into FW, however, is that you're going to get lots of pvp - as much or more than draketrain (and "elite" pvp corp in null sec nowadays that is slowly dieing off in numbers) without having to pay tribute to your alliance overlords.
Have fun, get kills, be your own boss. What more could you ask for?
Draketrain member count has dropped yes, but our current focus is not to expand our corporation, it is to do co-operation with certain corporations and alliances and that has been very good strategy.
People want to do so much different things , care bearing, industry, 0.0 sov etc... but we try to organize pvp operations were everyone can participate if they have time from their own business.
example: http://draketrain.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10795869
As you can see there is many names from militia on our common operation, they are not draketrain but they still participate same ops.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:27:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Don't give in to the "null sec is more active" lie. FW low sec has the most active pvp in the game. Smaller sized fleets, but many more, engagements. More kills/system than 90% of null sec.
If you want to roam with 60 to 500 man "open ocean" fleets, head to null sec and get bored to tears. If you want lots of smaller scale pvp, 1 to 20 players, get into FW.
Are you ADHD? Head to FW.
I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.
There is no reason to be in militia with your main, keep alt in to get missions, that is enough.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:52:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: I did not say that 0.0 is more active, we do gank people in lowsec too. But militia has nothing to offer really, if we join militia no one will fight against us anyway in there. And last time i was in militia certain bugs prevented some tactics totally.
There is no reason to be in militia with your main, keep alt in to get missions, that is enough.
So FW is no worse for pvp than anywhere else in Eve? Reason No. 4 to join FW: You can make Damar cry on the forums. /thread
Just opposite, FW is worst PVP in EVE.
It is full of people who thinks they know something about PVP but not many of them really do.
So if you are new player and want to learn to pvp FW is not right place for it, there is no one who can or will really teach something. If you are lucky you might get in some corp who know something but usually 'spy' problem prevents joining those corps.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.23 05:06:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: So if you are new player and want to learn to pvp FW is not right place for it, there is no one who can or will really teach something.
The part in bold is just plain untrue. There are plenty of people around willing to train.
Willing yes, but can they? is the question.
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